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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2006, 10:57:56 PM »
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Italy and Dust are highly competitive, a bias toward one side's weapons may make it seem otherwise. Also keep in mind the teams will switch sides in the tournament, allowing equal access to map areas and weapons.

In other words, if you suck with the AK, tough noogies! :boxer:


I've played in CAL for 4 seasons, the highest most competitive league in North America.  Not once, ever, have they used Dust or Italy.  Dust and Italy are not highly competitive.  Maybe for leagues for really bad teams is where they would use italy or dust.

Plus, playing 6v6 on Dust or Italy is just plain retarded.

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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2006, 11:01:26 PM »
Do you feel at a disadvantage playing as terrorist on Dust or CT on Italy?

I don't.

What is wrong with 6v6 on Dust? Dust2 is bigger. Both maps are fantastic.

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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2006, 11:06:22 PM »
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Do you feel at a disadvantage playing as terrorist on Dust or CT on Italy?

I don't.

What is wrong with 6v6 on Dust? Dust2 is bigger. Both maps are fantastic.


No, I don't, and you're right.

Actually, it's so bad, that CT's should win every round on CT side.

Maps like Dust2, Train, and Inferno actually have a much better chance of winning rounds, no matter if you are a CT or T.

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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2006, 08:18:53 AM »
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Sorry to post so much, but I think the CSS tournament rules could use some tweaking. If I read correctly the aim is to play 15 rounds as each side. That is a long time. The old CAL and OGL rules were 12 rounds per side with greatest number of wins being the victor. Perhaps abbreviated CAL rules such as 6 rounds per side could expedite the tournament and allow for longer playing rounds. 6 rounds per side is enough time for a team to develop reasonable strategy and implement it.


I agree and have made this change... thank you.
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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2006, 08:24:21 AM »
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As for the FoV.  Again, that is up to our discretion... please refer to my post in the other thread related to tournaments.  We arent here to list every possible cheating scenerio.. just to give guidelines for what we look for in cheating.

If everyone plays ethically, we won't have a problem.  And again, unless someone brings it to our attention, we won't be looking to "nail" anyone.


Well, I've had a few friends that were in a few fites tournaments that were kicked out of the tournaments because of their configs.  It's really not "unfair" at all.  You can make a game look like quake 1 all you want, and it's legal everywhere.  It's simply just a preference of how they would want things to look.  

Actually, one of my friends got kicked out a fites tournament when someone said "Look at his screen, blah blah blah, I call bullcrap".  Yet, he didn't get kicked out the tournament until the finals, when someone finally said something. :|

 Some people that played quake 3 when it first came out didn't have great video cards to run it at a good fps.  BUT, there is a command called r_mode that lets you make everything look really badly detailed, but gives you much fps.  They have been playing that same way for years, even though they have a much better video card now.  It's just their preference of fragging.  I am actually kind of worried about the whole "play fair and no cheating" type of thing here, because I have a feeling someone will come up behind me, watch me play battlefield 2,  and say "HEY!  GRASS DOESN'T SHOW FOR HIM UNTIL HE IS 300 FEET AWAY FROM IT!  CHEATER!"  Yet, that's basically how the game runs at default, just a lower resolution.

Is there a restriction on resolutions as well?  I want to know everything possible with no conflicts at all.  I am a EXTREMELY competitive guy, I've won many tournaments before, and I just love tournaments.  But I have this great fear that I will get disqualified out of a tournament for the littlest thing, like accidently turning something off that is graphical (weather effects, etc.)

Please don't think I'm being mean when I say this, but I seriously do think you should take your "cheating and fair play" thing a bit too far.  At least be a little more lenient.


I wanted to wait to address this...

I fully understand where your concerns are coming from.  And I fully admit that at our last lan, we were unprepared for what happened.  We did not have rules in place to deal with the issue that arose.

I also did not handle it in the correct way, and I admitted that not only to the staff, but also to the player that was affected by how it was handled.  I apologized to him after the lan, as I read more about what was going on.

Most lanparties (as far as I have researched) do not provide specific examples of what is right/wrong in "tweaking" games.  We are doing this to try to avoid what happened at the last event.

I will admit, that we will be much more flexible in what we allow, but we need to have a broad ruleset that allows us to cover everything that may come up.  

My best advice, is if you question whether or not something is illegal, please come talk to us at the LAN.  

I do feel that what happened at the last event (in regards to the textures) was illegal, but again, I admit that it was not handled properly, nor were the gamers given a set of guidelines prior to the event.

So please bear with us as we try to find the right balance of rules/allowances.

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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2006, 08:26:28 AM »
oh, one other point.

Please keep in mind that this event is supposed to be fun.  There really aren't any bragging rights to come away from this lan, so those of you who are super competitive, keep in mind that 99% of the people attending are probably not nearly as competitive... and are simply looking for a good fun time.

They are not concerned with tweaking their games to get every FPS out of them... they are just looking to get in and play against live people in the same room.

If you go in lookign to demolish everyone in your path, you may lose sight of the true point in a lanparty... to have fun.
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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2006, 05:13:50 PM »
How does map selection work? Is it just up between the 2 teams to decide on one of the maps from the rules page?

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« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2006, 06:02:03 PM »
I think we will do a rotation...

every bracket level will play the same map... it worked pretty well last time.
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« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2006, 07:08:15 PM »
Yea that usually makes it easier for setting up the servers so there's less to worry about. If you know what the roration will be before the lan, please post it. Thanks!

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« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2006, 08:36:03 PM »
Sweet Jesus, why CTF-FaceClassic for UT2004 finals? :|

That has to be one of the worst competitive tournament maps to date.   :cry:

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« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2006, 09:05:21 PM »
Glad to help!   :2thumbsup:

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« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2006, 07:44:04 PM »
so are we not using the de_cpl maps since that are not standard source maps.

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« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2006, 09:40:20 PM »
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so are we not using the de_cpl maps since that are not standard source maps.


I dont see them listed on the official tourney rules and regs .pdf file anymore. I hope not, I've never played them before  :sad:

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« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2006, 10:01:49 AM »
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Sweet Jesus, why CTF-FaceClassic for UT2004 finals? :|

That has to be one of the worst competitive tournament maps to date.   :cry:


God Help Everyone if I end up into the finals. Ive been playing face classic forever since it was introduces in GOTY edition. That is gonna be one sniping  :cussing:

FYI - played that map last night online.....26 headshots in my 79 frags

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« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2006, 10:12:55 AM »
FaceClassic in the finals using Instagib is just wrong. Flag drops would be happening all over the place!

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