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Title: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: BOOFY on October 24, 2008, 07:01:15 AM
www.burninglanyork.com JAN. 2 2009
Not sure if anyone from the Fites group attends but thought I would pass the word around.
I've only been to one of their lans which is held in a church rec. room.  Definitely odd hearing a !HEAD SHOT! in a place like that but its not so different when you're surrounded by PC's.   It's run by a much younger crowd than Fites yet still has the professional feeling of a committed group as well as server/network.  I can't speak on average terms but the xbox360 / PC crowd was split about even.   After talking with Eric (one of the admins) the attendance has been growing at each party.  I recommend this lan and will continue to support it by going and bringing friends along. 
(At the moment of posting it appears their site is down.... but maybe its just because I'm in Poland right now and cant get through)

My other thoughts...
After the popularity of MMO's and the advent of High Speed Internet I've felt lans have lost their momentum and more importantly the real community touch.  Local groups should combine to make the best of their respective rosters and plan dates that could alternate yet still provide consistent events.  This would also cut down on a select few bearing the weight of setup and cost. 
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: The Shoctor on October 26, 2008, 10:42:53 PM
There Website is on the fritz and only 34 members in the forums  :'(. Muhahaha for the better lan group in Central PA..

Plus Joomla = crap in my opinion for a CMS site

Everyone has to start somewhere and it looks like they have a decent list of sponsors. Don't be a butt! Most LAN Parties survive off of one another! Also, I don't think you are qualified to make such suggestions about what people use for their site since I have yet to see you maintain anything commercial or do anything in your professional portfolio.
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: Agent4054 on October 26, 2008, 10:55:18 PM
Ultra Ownage.
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: decepticon on October 27, 2008, 07:36:20 AM
Yeah, I don't think it is appropriate to 'poke fun' at another lan group.  I wonder if you made fun of my attempt at getting together a lan party I posted on here when I first joined.  I didn't even have a website.  Well, I had a Yahoo group but that doesn't count.

EDIT:  I tried healing the original post with a bandaid, but I guess you can only bandage your own bashed posts?
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: The Shoctor on October 27, 2008, 06:57:33 PM
Bandaids broke on the last SMF update. I will get to work on it. (See not everything here is always perfect.)
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: -Sp()()ge- on October 27, 2008, 07:03:47 PM
Yeah, I don't think it is appropriate to 'poke fun' at another lan group.  I wonder if you made fun of my attempt at getting together a lan party I posted on here when I first joined.  I didn't even have a website.  Well, I had a Yahoo group but that doesn't count.

EDIT:  I tried healing the original post with a bandaid, but I guess you can only bandage your own bashed posts?

We still poke fun at you.  That's because F3ar0n love you.
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: decepticon on October 28, 2008, 07:46:56 AM
We still poke fun at you.  That's because F3ar0n love you.

That's ok, I like it when YOU poke me...er uh poke fun at me!  Yeah that's it.   :laugh:
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: Dwg115 on October 28, 2008, 08:30:55 AM
yea you never know these guys from other lans may eventually become part of us although we've been pretty stagnant lately might be the other way around:(
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: _!Rathe!_ on October 28, 2008, 08:33:19 AM
yea you never know these guys from other lans may eventually become part of us although we've been pretty stagnant lately might be the other way around:(
I disagree that we have become stagnant.  We continue to bring in new members and there are usually new faces at the LANs.  I think the hype has diminished since we haven't had the 150 yet but as soon as it is announced you will see the boards lighting up.
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: .:F3ar0n:. on October 28, 2008, 04:01:06 PM
Everyone has to start somewhere and it looks like they have a decent list of sponsors. Don't be a butt! Most LAN Parties survive off of one another! Also, I don't think you are qualified to make such suggestions about what people use for their site since I have yet to see you maintain anything commercial or do anything in your professional portfolio.

Resorting to ad hominem attacks off the cuff is indicative that you have no idea what you are talking about. My personal portfolio not withstanding, I am more than qualified to judge a website and work that has been on it and draw a valid personal opinion for such.

On a unrelated note, I feel it is incredibly unprofessional for a leader of  a organization to belittle a member nearly for stating his own personal opinion
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: -Sp()()ge- on October 28, 2008, 04:40:43 PM
Everyone has to start somewhere and it looks like they have a decent list of sponsors. Don't be a butt! Most LAN Parties survive off of one another! Also, I don't think you are qualified to make such suggestions about what people use for their site since I have yet to see you maintain anything commercial or do anything in your professional portfolio.

Resorting to ad hominem attacks off the cuff is indicative that you have no idea what you are talking about. My personal portfolio, not withstanding, I am more than qualified to judge a website and work that has been on it and draw a valid personal opinion for such.

On a unrelated note, I feel it is incredibly unprofessional for a leader of  a organization to belittle a member nearly for stating his own personal opinion

Woah Sparky!  Don't make me drop your Karma!
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: -Sp()()ge- on October 28, 2008, 04:54:01 PM
yea you never know these guys from other lans may eventually become part of us although we've been pretty stagnant lately might be the other way around:(
I disagree that we have become stagnant.  We continue to bring in new members and there are usually new faces at the LANs.  I think the hype has diminished since we haven't had the 150 yet but as soon as it is announced you will see the boards lighting up.

Rathe,

I hope you are correct.  There definitely have been some new faces at the LANs.  My take is that the games have become stagnant when we plan the same games repetitively.  I really enjoy playing COD4 online, but get bored with it at the LAN.  When we end up playing it for hours, then I just lose interest.  We all probably have our game that do this to us at the LANS.

These new faces are great and I did notice Jack of All Trades is signed up for our next LAN.  Holy GALT blast from the past Batman!  Believe it or not, we should also give some credit to Tibs for making it to 2 LANS in a row and bringing someone with him.

 
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: _!Rathe!_ on October 28, 2008, 05:06:38 PM
...  My take is that the games have become stagnant when we plan the same games repetitively.  I really enjoy playing COD4 online, but get bored with it at the LAN.  When we end up playing it for hours, then I just lose interest.  We all probably have our game that do this to us at the LANS.
I honestly get tired of COD4 at times as well.  But we are all aware of the CS:S players (they are just the most visible group) who almost only play CS:S and play it for 46 out of 48 hours at the LAN.  So one game can sustain a good LAN but I do like when we change things up now and then.
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: Mr.Tibbs on October 28, 2008, 05:22:58 PM
Well they aren't as bad as CS 1.6 players. My friend does that Crap I don't know how the hell he can do that many hours a week playing that same damn game.
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: Agent4054 on October 28, 2008, 05:33:48 PM
Resorting to ad hominem attacks off the cuff is indicative that you have no idea what you are talking about. My personal portfolio not withstanding, I am more than qualified to judge a website and work that has been on it and draw a valid personal opinion for such.

On a unrelated note, I feel it is incredibly unprofessional for a leader of  a organization to belittle a member nearly for stating his own personal opinion

Not when the member in question, who is labeled as a FITES V.I.P, is quite outright bashing the site of another local LAN group who posted on here in good faith. How do you think that makes us look? You have the VIP title, which basically means, act like it. Yes, you can vocalize your opinions, just keep the outright negative ones to yourself or on a private board.
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: -Sp()()ge- on October 28, 2008, 05:56:53 PM
...  My take is that the games have become stagnant when we plan the same games repetitively.  I really enjoy playing COD4 online, but get bored with it at the LAN.  When we end up playing it for hours, then I just lose interest.  We all probably have our game that do this to us at the LANS.
I honestly get tired of COD4 at times as well.  But we are all aware of the CS:S players (they are just the most visible group) who almost only play CS:S and play it for 46 out of 48 hours at the LAN.  So one game can sustain a good LAN but I do like when we change things up now and then.

Agreed that a few games in rotation is good.  My point in the post from previous is that it's not the peeps that get stagnant, but the games at times. 

Note:  Some peeps get stagnant in other ways during the LANS.  You know who you are ! Gas Bombers!
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: The Shoctor on October 28, 2008, 06:06:12 PM
Everyone has to start somewhere and it looks like they have a decent list of sponsors. Don't be a butt! Most LAN Parties survive off of one another! Also, I don't think you are qualified to make such suggestions about what people use for their site since I have yet to see you maintain anything commercial or do anything in your professional portfolio.

Resorting to ad hominem attacks off the cuff is indicative that you have no idea what you are talking about. My personal portfolio not withstanding, I am more than qualified to judge a website and work that has been on it and draw a valid personal opinion for such.

On a unrelated note, I feel it is incredibly unprofessional for a leader of  a organization to belittle a member nearly for stating his own personal opinion

I said I have yet to see it, and I STILL don't. You could enlighten me and give me some sort of proof. (Like some organization's site you run or the like.) I can change my mind. You called a guests site's software crap and laughed at them for only having 34 members. I only responded that way because you belittled a guest's organization. I find it condescending that I should have to put up with you being rude to a guest and you calling me unprofessional for it.
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: decepticon on October 28, 2008, 07:16:00 PM
Uh ooohh...I smell (http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/images/smilies/ban.gif)!  j/k
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: .:F3ar0n:. on October 28, 2008, 07:38:30 PM
It was not my intent for my remarks to be taken as arrogant or belittling towards the Burning Lan organization and I admit that there was a lapse in judgment on how I worded my post. However my statement of calling you unprofessional was a direct result of how you personally decided to handle this situation. Rather than delete my original post, you decided to personally retaliate against me (while leaving my original post intact, which should be removed all together if your overall concern would be to protect the image of the Fites organization.. I have since removed my post)

I stated that personally felt Joomla is not a very good CMS to use for websites which has no relation whatsoever to the Burning Lan organization. My attempt to navigate through there website pulled numerous 404 and PHP Script errors which is why I said there website was on the fritz. I hardly feel that pointing out navigation issues to website developers, would be considered "poking fun" rather constructive criticism so they may correct the problems to ensure "user friendliness" on there site. It was my fault for not elaborating in more detail on what I meant with that statement

Overall I understand how my remarks were taken as arrogant towards the Burning Lan organization and apologize to those who were offended. However, I strongly feel that matters pertaining to the Fites organization should be dealt with in a discrete and professional manner. Such has not been the case with this particular post and or previous events in the past. At no point do I feel "personally attacking" other active members in a manner "other than joking intent" is appropriate.

I feel that my statements and concerns on this topic have been noted. I further invite you to discuss this matter personally if you find it is necessary. My overall goal would be that we "as a community" would be able to grow in a mature and friendly manner, unprecedented from personal attacks creating a negative and hostile atmosphere to guests
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: decepticon on October 28, 2008, 08:18:23 PM
Let's get ready to ruuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmbbbbllllllle!!!!!

Sorry, I couldn't resist! :hehemean:
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: -Sp()()ge- on October 29, 2008, 10:37:00 AM
so...... what did this have to do with global warming?
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: _!Rathe!_ on October 29, 2008, 10:54:04 AM
so...... what did this have to do with global warming?
The growing popularity of LAN parties and computer gaming is causing increased electricity and gasoline usage which is burning fossil fuels at a greater pace.  Also the hot air from the bragging of the gamers is causing massive temperature spikes in the vicinity of the LAN parties.
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: Dwg115 on October 29, 2008, 11:13:24 AM
yea you never know these guys from other lans may eventually become part of us although we've been pretty stagnant lately might be the other way around:(
I disagree that we have become stagnant.  We continue to bring in new members and there are usually new faces at the LANs.  I think the hype has diminished since we haven't had the 150 yet but as soon as it is announced you will see the boards lighting up.
It just feels slow to me i guess cause we haven't had a major event in a long time. IDK... i know it coming.
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: Dwg115 on October 29, 2008, 11:16:41 AM
Ok lets put this thing to rest.  Dave(F3ar0n) don't comment negatively on other lan groups I know you didn't really mean it the way it sounded just try to be a little more courtious to those guys.  for that we have to kick your ass in COD4 this coming weekend.  open season on f3ar0n!!!!!  woohoo!
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: _!Rathe!_ on October 29, 2008, 12:25:13 PM
Ok lets put this thing to rest.  Dave(F3ar0n) don't comment negatively on other lan groups I know you didn't really mean it the way it sounded just try to be a little more courtious to those guys.  for that we have to kick your ass in COD4 this coming weekend.  open season on f3ar0n!!!!!  woohoo!

I think this would call for 1 or 2 rounds where it is everyone against F3ar0n.  All those who agree say "Yes".




"YES"
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: -Sp()()ge- on October 29, 2008, 02:06:31 PM
..or a round where F3ar)on can only use a knife.
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: decepticon on October 29, 2008, 02:30:50 PM
I think this would call for 1 or 2 rounds where it is everyone against F3ar0n.  All those who agree say "Yes".




"YES"

Don't worry Fearon, I will switch teams in the middle and betray my comrades to give ya a chance.
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: _!Rathe!_ on October 29, 2008, 03:04:04 PM
Don't worry Fearon, I will switch teams in the middle and betray my comrades to give ya a chance.

I think it would be better if DWG115 would switch teams.  Well then again he is always working for the other team anyway.
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: decepticon on October 29, 2008, 04:05:08 PM
Ha!  lol
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: Mr.Tibbs on October 29, 2008, 04:24:49 PM
I think it would be better if DWG115 would switch teams.  Well then again he is always working for the other team anyway.

And getting a -300 score don't forget that.
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: sully! on October 29, 2008, 05:47:11 PM
As mentioned previously, LAN groups feed off of one another, they don't starve because the other exists. It's very important for the growth and vitality of any LAN org to be cooperative with other groups. In fact, they already know about us. I searched through their forums and found this rather positive post in a case mod discussion

Quote from: [url]http://tinyurl.com/6nzpe7[/url]
Try FITES in aug. right down by Ya'
IN {{{YORK Pa.}}} a 3 day event.
Heard the ""BEST"" show up there.


I think it would be in "the community's" best interest to extend nothing but olive branches and first-aid kits instead of arrows and frag grenades to not just Burning LAN, but to any and all lan party groups we encounter. We didn't get 879 registered users on our website or the best LAN's anywhere in PA by making enemies with anyone.

Edit: Also saw this on their front page:

Quote from: [url]http://burninglanyork.com[/url]
We are shifting out of our current Joomla CMS and making our own content management system. One of our hopes is to now include a function of registration which lets you reserve a specific seat when you register!

Sounds familiar. Maybe we could offer some advice as we've already gone through that custom seat registration system development (twice in fact!)
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: .:F3ar0n:. on October 29, 2008, 06:23:49 PM

I think this would call for 1 or 2 rounds where it is everyone against F3ar0n.  All those who agree say "Yes".


"YES"

Yeah so I think I may be coming down with the 1 day flu on Saturday. Something tells me I'm just not gonna be able to make it. LOL
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: _!Rathe!_ on October 29, 2008, 06:47:38 PM

I think this would call for 1 or 2 rounds where it is everyone against F3ar0n.  All those who agree say "Yes".


"YES"

Yeah so I think I may be coming down with the 1 day flu on Saturday. Something tells me I'm just not gonna be able to make it. LOL
Oh that is ok.  We can just delay your punishment till you are better. :lol:
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: Mr.Tibbs on October 29, 2008, 07:56:19 PM

I think this would call for 1 or 2 rounds where it is everyone against F3ar0n.  All those who agree say "Yes".


"YES"

Yeah so I think I may be coming down with the 1 day flu on Saturday. Something tells me I'm just not gonna be able to make it. LOL

You are such a terrible liar. But hey there is always next weekend.
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: Angelic on November 24, 2008, 05:34:08 PM
Hey guys,

I know it's kinda old, but I never really saw this thread before.

I'm the head coordinator of BurningLAN, Eric Abruzzese, and I wanted to thank Blake... er... Boofy for his contributions. I know he said it was run by a much younger crowd, but myself and the rest of the staff are all at least 18 (so I see his point, but many of us are at least college-age). Just so you know a bit about me: I am currently attending Shippensburg University for Computer Science, planning on transferring to MIT to complete my Master's/Doctorate. I am currently MCSA, MCSE, MCDST, Red Hat, Debian, CCNA, CCNP, CISSP, CEH, Security+, A+, and Net+ certified and am still taking exams for others.

Now, as for the post:

I wanted to thank FITES, it's staff, forum admins, the community, etc, for being so... constructive. I honestly thought this thread was going to end in the continual bashing of my website.

Honestly, I don't really like Joomla. Not at all. But a website is almost absolutely crucial for any successful LAN, and seeing as how we hold BurningLAN rather frequently, we needed a quick, painless setup that was flexible and at least somewhat easy to use, so we could start posting and getting the info to our attendees. Being a developer and a designer myself, I've been working on a CMS and a better design based on the versatile CodeIgniter framework, entirely powered by the jQuery engine for AJAX. I've got a few friends who do intensive CSS work, but we want it to look good and be functional before it's release.

Now, I don't know where that fellow was going that he got a bunch of 404s and PHP errors, because I've built a crawlerbot (cronjob) to crawl my specific site to find broken links, errors, and 404s. I'm thinking this was when we switched from HostGator to Dreamhost, judging by the date of posting. So, I'm not just some kid who threw up a Joomla site - I do development, design and SEO for a living. Thanks for understanding guys :)

As many in this thread have posted, it would be in the gaming community's best interest if local LANs helped each other out. So, if anyone has any suggestions, questions, advice, whatever, please feel free to email me! eric.abruzzese@burninglanyork.com

Peace,
Eric Abruzzese
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: decepticon on November 25, 2008, 08:38:14 AM
First off, Welcome!  I would love to attend the Burning LAN of York, but I won't be able to attend.  As far as local LAN groups helping each other:  that's right on the money there.  I would have never of found about FITES if someone here had never wandered to my measly Yahoo group and posted something about them.  Good luck with yer lan!  Hope to see you at some FITES events!
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: Dwg115 on November 25, 2008, 11:30:33 AM
yes i too would like to attend one of your lans in the future just to see what you guys have and socialize if nothing more.  Good luck with your event and i look forward to attending an event in the future!!!
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: sully! on November 25, 2008, 12:19:41 PM
I can't remember the last time I went to a LAN just to play and didn't have to lug all the extra gear I bring to FITES events.....that idea is so foreign to me anymore. I think I'd feel like I was forgetting something the whole time :)
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: _!Rathe!_ on November 25, 2008, 12:38:29 PM
I can't remember the last time I went to a LAN just to play and didn't have to lug all the extra gear I bring to FITES events.....that idea is so foreign to me anymore. I think I'd feel like I was forgetting something the whole time :)

Well you could do like you did at the last LAN.  Just bring a server to the LAN and pick it up at the end of the LAN with all the files you want.  You would have a lot less to lug around then.
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: sully! on November 25, 2008, 02:18:29 PM
But I didn't get to game, all I did was leech remotely ;) And I still brought 3 servers, an XBox360, projector, projector screen and a cable modem, plus the WHS to leech. For not physically being there, I still contributed quite a bit to the electric usage for the weekend.
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: Angelic on November 25, 2008, 02:32:46 PM
Haha, nobody know about lugging stuff like a LAN coordinator!

Anyway...

BurningLAN is crazy cheap ($8.00) because the church lets us have it there for free. Almost all of our proceeds go to the church, so BurningLAN is kindof a charity event too!

Just register on the site if you're coming! We love new faces! :)
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: Agent4054 on November 25, 2008, 03:24:59 PM
LANs in churches?

I guess I shouldn't say much, we hold our LANs in a daycare after all ;)
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: Mr.Tibbs on November 25, 2008, 03:39:30 PM
Well they do have lan on the second of January. At least that is what they website told me.
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: H4xz0rsaurusRX on November 25, 2008, 05:55:58 PM
But I didn't get to game, all I did was leech remotely ;) And I still brought 3 servers, an XBox360, projector, projector screen and a cable modem, plus the WHS to leech. For not physically being there, I still contributed quite a bit to the electric usage for the weekend.

Yes and mucho gracias (SP?) for bringing the kick arse Rock Band along. Playing Living On A Prayer hasnt gotten old yet (plus we just like to see Travis yell and throw out his voice)
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: _!Rathe!_ on November 26, 2008, 07:42:14 AM
Yes and mucho gracias (SP?) for bringing the kick arse Rock Band along. Playing Living On A Prayer hasnt gotten old yet (plus we just like to see Travis yell and throw out his voice)

Yes Rock Band was awesome.  I got some time on it and kicked ass on medium.  Even played 1 or 2 songs perfectly the first time through.
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: decepticon on November 26, 2008, 08:06:24 AM
But I didn't get to game, all I did was leech remotely ;) And I still brought 3 servers, an XBox360, projector, projector screen and a cable modem, plus the WHS to leech. For not physically being there, I still contributed quite a bit to the electric usage for the weekend.

Yes and mucho gracias (SP?) for bringing the kick arse Rock Band along. Playing Living On A Prayer hasnt gotten old yet (plus we just like to see Travis yell and throw out his voice)

But but....I brought the instruments.....   :sweatdrop:
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: {ShadowWX} on November 26, 2008, 09:33:28 AM
But I didn't get to game, all I did was leech remotely ;) And I still brought 3 servers, an XBox360, projector, projector screen and a cable modem, plus the WHS to leech. For not physically being there, I still contributed quite a bit to the electric usage for the weekend.

Yes and mucho gracias (SP?) for bringing the kick arse Rock Band along. Playing Living On A Prayer hasnt gotten old yet (plus we just like to see Travis yell and throw out his voice)

But but....I brought the instruments.....   :sweatdrop:

Yes, and we appreciated it.
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: decepticon on November 26, 2008, 09:43:26 AM
But I didn't get to game, all I did was leech remotely ;) And I still brought 3 servers, an XBox360, projector, projector screen and a cable modem, plus the WHS to leech. For not physically being there, I still contributed quite a bit to the electric usage for the weekend.


Yes and mucho gracias (SP?) for bringing the kick arse Rock Band along. Playing Living On A Prayer hasnt gotten old yet (plus we just like to see Travis yell and throw out his voice)

But but....I brought the instruments.....   :sweatdrop:

Yes, and we appreciated it.

I know, I'm just kidding.
Title: Re: BURNING LAN YORK
Post by: {ShadowWX} on November 26, 2008, 10:50:38 AM
But I didn't get to game, all I did was leech remotely ;) And I still brought 3 servers, an XBox360, projector, projector screen and a cable modem, plus the WHS to leech. For not physically being there, I still contributed quite a bit to the electric usage for the weekend.


Yes and mucho gracias (SP?) for bringing the kick arse Rock Band along. Playing Living On A Prayer hasnt gotten old yet (plus we just like to see Travis yell and throw out his voice)

But but....I brought the instruments.....   :sweatdrop:

Yes, and we appreciated it.

I know, I'm just kidding.

I know but I figured I'd tell you anyway.  :tongue2: