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LAN Party Forums => Newbies Report! => Started by: IcarianX on November 14, 2007, 03:54:53 PM

Title: Hi Everyone
Post by: IcarianX on November 14, 2007, 03:54:53 PM
Hey Folks - Wanted to stop by and say hello. I am relatively new to the area, transferred up here for my job.

I am Tom (26), Infrastructure Architect for the Windows Server/System Center Teams (Microsoft Mid-Atlantic), have worked on staff for a few lan parties in the midwest area. Looking for a good lan party to meet some new friends, share and learn technology, and have some fun gaming.

I am a huge lan party fanatic, regardless of broadband, nothing beats the camradarie of people at a lan party.

Hope to make it to some of your small and large events soon!

If you need any help feel free to ask!

T
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: cuzzNkev on November 14, 2007, 05:37:16 PM
Welcome.  Where are you located?  Hope you enjoy your stay.

PS: Stay away from Zx2slow, he's been known to bite!
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: Krurath108 on November 14, 2007, 06:29:56 PM
i bet he is the myspace tom
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: IcarianX on November 15, 2007, 07:01:16 AM
I live in the Conshohocken Area, (working out of malvern).

as far as the myspace comment goes,   Foiled again, cant go anywhere without being picked out  :headscratch:
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: IcarianX on November 15, 2007, 07:26:18 AM
I meant to ask, what games do people at this particular lan play the most? I am most likely going to make it out to the december 15th lan party, so I want to make sure I have the games for it.

I typically play CS:Source, BF2, BF2142, UT2004 (eagerly wating for the new UT),TF/TF2
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: Pride on November 15, 2007, 09:32:23 AM
I typically play CS:Source, BF2, BF2142, UT2004 (eagerly wating for the new UT),TF/TF2

You're found a home then!

Welcome to FITES and PA!
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: cuzzNkev on November 15, 2007, 10:24:59 AM
I typically play CS:Source, BF2, BF2142, UT2004 (eagerly wating for the new UT),TF/TF2

Yup yup and yup.  You will fit right in!
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: IcarianX on November 16, 2007, 12:47:41 PM
Hey I registered for your event in december, but it wouldnt let me submit unless I had entries in for the rest of the fields concerning additional gamers names/ages/etc. sorry for spooging up your registration, but it looks like i wasnt the only one, (i can see one additional instance of this in the reg list above)
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: Pride on November 16, 2007, 02:28:42 PM
Not a problem... glad to have you here!
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: zx2slow on November 17, 2007, 02:08:19 AM
Welcome aboard, and yes I do bite.
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: Agent4054 on November 17, 2007, 12:46:59 PM
That's a lie, everyone knows you're harmless. Yeah there's a tip for ya, IcarianX... Zx2Slow = easy target. He's usually too busy sticking his finger in his mouth to shoot.

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Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: zx2slow on November 17, 2007, 04:23:40 PM
  That pic will never die.
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: The Shoctor on November 18, 2007, 11:13:11 AM
Harmless!? NO WAY!!! It's cannibalism!!!!
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: zx2slow on November 19, 2007, 09:11:48 AM
  You know when i'm all out of fingers you are the first one I am going to cannibalize.
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: The Shoctor on November 19, 2007, 11:19:43 PM
Well, I bet I would be good on a rotisserie... I would be self basting... I mean I am fat.. But I eat good food so well I bet I am tasty.
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: IcarianX on November 21, 2007, 02:36:34 PM
That photo is Hilarious! I hope some of you folks get UT III before the next lan. The Demo was great

 I have to finish rebuilding my rig this weekend.

PS if anyone wants a EVGA 7800GTX/256 as an upgrade, ill bring it to the lan for like 75 bucks its yours. I added an extra air cooler to it as well.

as far as your smaller lan's go. You game through the evening/night right? We are doing a major Win Server 2008 Deployment at Unisys so ill be there around 3-4pm on saturday, would like to get some gaming time in.

Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: Dwg115 on November 24, 2007, 05:54:43 PM
yea we'll be gaming till the weeee hours of the night....  I bought the UT3 retail copy and am looking forward to playing at the LAN. 
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: zx2slow on November 24, 2007, 09:29:18 PM
Still waiting on my 8800GT's the lack of stock is going to make a liar out of me
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: Dwg115 on November 25, 2007, 03:23:57 AM
You should have gotten them when i told ya.  Mine kicks arse!
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: zx2slow on November 25, 2007, 12:16:41 PM
I held out for the evga ssc's, I dont think I'll gt one till 08
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: Dwg115 on November 25, 2007, 12:43:22 PM
shoot, by then they might have a new card out.  does that mean you won't be able to play UT# at the next LAN.
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: zx2slow on November 25, 2007, 05:11:57 PM
yeah, the 7600's ran it half decent
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: IcarianX on November 26, 2007, 07:25:38 AM
I held out for the evga ssc's, I dont think I'll gt one till 08


I just put the 8800 GTS SSC 640 into my system, and it does really well! I can play everything at native resolution on my lcd (1680x1050) the thing with the SSC cards are that they have the same amount of Stream Processors (112) as an 8800GT  versus (96) on a typical 8800gts.

http://www.custompc.co.uk/news/601563/new-8800-gts-with-112-stream-processors-beats-8800-gt.html

also does anyone here game with Windows Vista (32/64bit). We have some good things coming down the pipe for SP1 that should bring some of the issues in check. I wanted to see what vista gamers are out there (if any) and what your system configs are, and how your performance is doing.


Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: decepticon on November 26, 2007, 07:28:26 AM
Tried Vista Ultimate (32b).  Too much of a resource hog.  Although I have not tried it with my new rig...aaaand probably won't.
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: IcarianX on November 26, 2007, 07:52:29 AM
Tried Vista Ultimate (32b).  Too much of a resource hog.  Although I have not tried it with my new rig...aaaand probably won't.

Well here in lies the problem. Its based upon the memory usage. Vista (32bit) was designed around a base computing sector (The Home User), as with traditional 32 bit operating systems, you are starting to hit a wall, where your memory is truly becoming the key to performance.

Windows Vista (32Bit) Does a ton of "pre-fetching" of memory, and backloads the Operating system with a Huge Memory Buffer, Now when you go to run a game (which increasingly requires more and more memory), it hit that wall, basically where the Operating system &/or Game thinks the system has "run out of memory" and begins paging to disk. This usually occurs with machines configured with (1or2) gb of ram.

Now is you want to put a band-aid over that, you can get a "Ready Boost" enabled high speed USB Flash drive, and then the operating system will conduct its "pre-fetching" operations to that high speed flash, and free up more RAM for your extended applications.

But the silent killer at hand for an increasingly larger amount of gamers is the (32Bit) operating system itself.

Without writing an entire diary on the insufficiencies of a 32bit operating system, ill keep this short and sweet.

Applications & The Operating system operate usually within the first 2048mb of the system.

Although the performance benefits of 64-bit are somewhat dubious on the desktop, a 64-bit OS absolutely essential if you run applications that need to use more than 2 GB of memory. It's getting more common with games now a days.

If anyone want to discuss issues related to and/or see the performance benefits of a 64 bit OS, pm me or stop by at the next lan.

Cliff Notes  - If you want to run vista, skip the 32bit OS, buy 4gb of Ram and (if your hardware supports it) run Windows Vista x64.

Or stick with Windows XP, until you have the need to move up to an Upgraded OS.

Just remember this, When we made the transition from Windows 98/Millenium to a Windows 2000 Code base built on the NTFS Platform, we hit a huge wall of resistance from users & corporations, it took some adoption time to get used to the in's and out's of the operating system. Hell even hardware manufacturers were not writing drivers for their hardware without some prodding, and that took a while. 

Vista will get there, SP1 holds alot of improvements, but still wont deal with "older" hardware. Its a Next Generation OS, looking ahead to further pc improvements, the standardized use of Multi-Core Processors, etc.



Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: decepticon on November 26, 2007, 09:15:12 AM


Cliff Notes  - If you want to run vista, skip the 32bit OS, buy 4gb of Ram and (if your hardware supports it) run Windows Vista x64.

Or stick with Windows XP, until you have the need to move up to an Upgraded OS.


There in lies my problem.  I don't have $500+ to a) get the 64 bit version ov vista ultimate and b) get 2 MORE gigs of ram for a system I just built.  Windows XP plays the games just fine and I think I will stick with it regardless of the DX10 support.  Also, the readyboost functions that Vista boasts, really don't provide too much of a performance boost when it comes to games. 

Granted, Vista has its benefits:  it's...pretty, fun to use IF you already know the ins and outs - I was VERY frustrated that my windows vista shares weren't really sharing unless I turned the blank passwords policy OFF, which was NEVER documented (at the time) by M$.  Had to find that one out on my own.

Bottom line, why should we HAVE to buy more ram just to get the OS to run smoothly.  XP does that already with some un-needed services turned off (which most were in SP2 anyway)  But to each their own.
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: zx2slow on November 26, 2007, 09:23:10 AM
XP x64 is not too shabby if I say so myself.
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: Agent4054 on November 26, 2007, 09:23:53 AM
ReadyBoost is a sh!te feature, as far as I can tell. When I had used Vista x64, it slowed stuff down rather than doing the proposed opposite. And that was with a fast thumbdrive. Vista was an overall waste of time for me.
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: IcarianX on November 26, 2007, 09:57:17 AM


Cliff Notes  - If you want to run vista, skip the 32bit OS, buy 4gb of Ram and (if your hardware supports it) run Windows Vista x64.

Or stick with Windows XP, until you have the need to move up to an Upgraded OS.


There in lies my problem.  I don't have $500+ to a) get the 64 bit version ov vista ultimate and b) get 2 MORE gigs of ram for a system I just built.  Windows XP plays the games just fine and I think I will stick with it regardless of the DX10 support.  Also, the readyboost functions that Vista boasts, really don't provide too much of a performance boost when it comes to games. 

Granted, Vista has its benefits:  it's...pretty, fun to use IF you already know the ins and outs - I was VERY frustrated that my windows vista shares weren't really sharing unless I turned the blank passwords policy OFF, which was NEVER documented (at the time) by M$.  Had to find that one out on my own.

Bottom line, why should we HAVE to buy more ram just to get the OS to run smoothly.  XP does that already with some un-needed services turned off (which most were in SP2 anyway)  But to each their own.

There is definitely not a need "yet". It should be on mainstream support  for another 1-3 years, which is basically an entire pc lifecycle. Some folks have a "need" to be on the latest cutting edge os/hardware, but you are completely right. XP does exactly what you need it to, If you want to squeak more out of the operating system look into the x64 edition of Windows XP Pro.

Some good comments here, dont shoot the messenger, im just gathering impressions (not pushing product) on what the current vista coverage is out there, and taking some notes back to the SP1 Product Team (as ive been asked to do). On a side note. Our major corporate customers who deployed Vista to a subset of their users absolutely love it! I guess the difference there is they are using Operating system centric products (such as Office/Internet Explorer/etc)
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: decepticon on November 26, 2007, 11:22:51 AM
Actually, I didn't even think about the 64bit version of xp pro...I will have to investigate that further.
Title: Re: Hi Everyone
Post by: -Sp()()ge- on November 26, 2007, 12:51:53 PM
time for me to go back to XP.  The benifits do not outweigh the negatives.