Author Topic: For those of you who think our government didn't plan 9/11.. (Read 2274 times)

Pride · « **on:** February 23, 2006, 08:33:44 AM »

I submit to you the following video:


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848	Small \| Large

llDayo · « **Reply #1 on:** February 23, 2006, 11:16:20 AM »

This conspiracy theory Crap pisses me off.
http://ourworld-top.cs.com/mikegriffith1/refute.htm
http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/020910.Sozen.Pentagon.html

I'm not even gonna discuss this crap, just throw links at you to find out yourself.

cuzzNkev · « **Reply #2 on:** February 23, 2006, 12:25:42 PM »

My 2 cents.
Prides link is very interesting. From day 1, I have always wondered about the lack of debris at the Pentagon. I never really gave the other stuff a lot of consideration. I guess it is possible tho.

Bringing this around to current situations and the sale of the operating interests of the 8 ports to a foreign country. Personally, it doesnt bother me that its an arab organization. What bothers me is that there are no governmental controls stating that the operating companies have to perform extensive background checks on employees (red flag). Currently, only 1 in every several hundred containers are physically inspected (BIG red flag).

To continue, Secretary Snow (Dept of Treasury) was the President/CEO of CSX, who 2 years ago (or so) sold his company to the UAE, making personally around 1.8 billion. Then, the new director of MARAD (the US Maritime Administration) David Sanborn who was nominated about 1 month ago, was the head of European and Latin American operations for Dubai World Ports. So the two people shepharding this deal through have made significant money from the UAE/DWP and are allowing us to hand over critical infrastructure control of our country to a foreign entity. Then there is the question of the 45 day waiting period on sales such as these for review by the government (chills running down my back ATM).

Should I bring up other aspects of the government handover including toll roads in Texas and Indiana, the use of RFID tags to monitor vehicles, the fact that the largest holders of public utilities in the US are foreign companies (god, I am sounding like a krazy man).

One link relating to this:
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/port_deal_sell_out_dismantle_america.htm

llDayo · « **Reply #3 on:** February 23, 2006, 12:53:12 PM »

Isn't the port authority and coastguard responsible for checking the ports? If so, it doesn't really matter who owns them because they'll be checked all the same. It would be nice to spend more money on getting more containers checked but that'll never happen with this spend happy (when it suits their interests) administration.

I'm not sure what to comment on about the money involvement as I've heard some stories about the same thing but business is business, unfortunately :(

ANG3L · « **Reply #4 on:** February 23, 2006, 05:41:50 PM »

Here is the link for the first part of Prides video. I saw this some time ago and it is so unreal to think about it be true.

http://www.amics21.com/911/pentagon.html#Main :sad:

Fabio · « **Reply #5 on:** February 23, 2006, 08:18:14 PM »

i bought this dvd awhile ago...

it changed my thoughts on alot of sutff...

I agree with alot if not everything in this movie, science outweighs what the government tells us in the case of 911... not in one area of it but several...

(not ment to inflame anyone)
One of the dumbest things the government has told us about 911 has to be the hijackers... a passport from a guy fell out of a plane and was found on the street of NY city... maybe... but found with a building ontop of it... no posible way.

i really dont think we will ever know the truth about 911 but this documentary brings up several good questions. If every person in america saw this i think people would know alot more than what they learned by watching FOX NEWS

llDayo · « **Reply #6 on:** February 24, 2006, 08:45:25 AM »

Can someone explain to me how many people it would take to pull off this government plot, how many people would be needed to be kept quiet about it and how the government could accomplish this? Don't forget to include the firemen, rescue workers, and scientists all involved. I'm sure the government was able to silence hundreds (or even thousands) involved.

Photo evidence by a navy photographer showing a piece of plane debris at the Pentagon:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.news.navy.mil/view%5Fsingle.asp%3Fid=2445

The Shoctor · « **Reply #7 on:** February 24, 2006, 08:57:59 AM »

I don't want to deffend any side, but that is quite a SMALL part of a HUGE plane.

xankriz · « **Reply #8 on:** February 24, 2006, 09:53:03 AM »

To preserve a neutral stance all i am going to say is:

Cool your tempers, if you stay cool and just discuss your points you can actually make some ground here and change some minds.

llDayo · « **Reply #9 on:** February 24, 2006, 11:33:43 AM »

Quote from: "ShadoHawk"

I don't want to deffend any side, but that is quite a SMALL part of a HUGE plane.

A plane flying a few hundred miles per hour into a building of concrete and steel supports meant to withstand a significant amount of force would practically disintegrate on impact, and in fact, other parts were found (scroll down a bit).

Compare the piece of the above wreckage to an actual plane: http://www.cruisinaltitude.com/photos/seatmaps/aa/aab757.htm

That piece looks to be part of the lettering near the front/top of the plane. But without having been there to look at it directly I can't be 100% sure.

Fabio · « **Reply #10 on:** February 24, 2006, 03:40:02 PM »

If it would have disintegrated on impact it would have been the first in history... 757's dont just disapear...

Helios Airways Flight 522... this 757 crashed into a hill side... Tail sections, wing sections, and engines... http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/5b-dby/3.shtml

The parts from the engines found arent even from a 757...
http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/turbofans.html

-Sp()()ge- · « **Reply #11 on:** February 24, 2006, 05:18:44 PM »

The planes could have been desinigrated or at least seperated into very small pieces in comparison to the complete plane.

Planes also have a lot of free space in comparison to their volume. The compacted volume of actual steel, plastic and other materials can be compacted into a small area relative to the original plane size.

The collision was also something similar to an implosion. It was not as if the planes caught the buildings with a wing and deflected off into pieces. All impact was contained.

On top of it all, jet fuel burns at an extreme temperature in excess of 2000 degrees. Not much will withstand such a fire temperature.

Overall, it is very plausable that the planes "perished" into sections too small to recognize.

Its also not likely the US would cause itself significant quantites of money on defense plans and equipment as well as severly damage the economy. Politically, the republicans would not want to attempt such a foolish act while having control of the white house and congress. Democrats would also have exploited the republicans if such information confirming a US led attack was even possible.

Even though I have not viewed the video's linked on this webpage, I feel the complete picture needs to be viewed as in a political, financial, spiritual, and international view to back any statements that the US would have purposely conspired to launch an attack of such magnitude on our own soil aginst our own citizens.

Billabond1 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 26, 2006, 12:42:09 AM »

i just finished watching this movie. I found it extremely interesting. I agree with everything they said.

VonDouche · « **Reply #13 on:** February 26, 2006, 08:11:56 PM »

i watched this movie last night. and everything in that video is so damn supported. it really makes you think.

the most interesting part to me was he talked about the towers being hit, and how that shouldnt have caused them to fall.

amazing.

Pride · « **Reply #14 on:** February 27, 2006, 03:46:02 PM »

I am not 100% about anything... but it does definitely raise an eyebrow! Do I think our government was 100% honest about 9/11? Hell no... do I think we planned it all? I'm still not so sure. It is still possible that it was a terrorist attack... and we are just covering up how severe it was...

Perhaps it was a cruise missle at the pentagon... what would be scarier is if it wasn't even ours! How did a cruise missle hit DC without warning? Enemy Sub off the coast?

Once you figure out that 1 small thing the government said wasn't true.. it begins to snowball in my mind.