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Title: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: markuS on February 14, 2010, 01:46:24 PM
I'm a little confused how the ruleset for the tournament got picked. I personally prefer the standard $800 startmoney, 15 rounds a half, first to 16 rounds format. Is there a reason why you picked the ruleset you did? I've never heard of $1600 startmoney, first to 11 rounds ruleset =/
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: markuS on February 14, 2010, 01:48:21 PM
Ohh, my suggestion would be $800 startmoney, 1:45 roundtime, 15 rounds a half, 16 rounds to win, basically the gold standard for competitive counter-strike.
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: Czar on February 14, 2010, 01:58:03 PM
It's almost a fites tradition to use our own rule sets and base them somewhat on other gold standards. We've used first to 11 rounds for the past several years. In fact this is the first time in years we've gone with 5v5 and not 6v6.
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: markuS on February 15, 2010, 08:52:53 PM
It's almost a fites tradition to use our own rule sets and base them somewhat on other gold standards. We've used first to 11 rounds for the past several years. In fact this is the first time in years we've gone with 5v5 and not 6v6.
I understand wanting to do your own thing, but that ruleset makes no sense and are there halves?
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: vincegun on February 15, 2010, 09:44:16 PM
You know what else makes no sense? The Chewbacca defense. I rest my case.

Okay, I'm done now. I don't play CS, nor will I ever, but I had to throw that out there. :-D
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: Mylk on February 15, 2010, 09:52:42 PM
yeah are there going to be halves?

maps like nuke, train, aztec, are one sided
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: Czar on February 16, 2010, 08:51:44 AM
You each take turns playing on each side of the map.
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: Mylk on February 16, 2010, 05:42:02 PM
You each take turns playing on each side of the map.

21 rounds, 2 halves.

10.5 rounds per half?

ok honestly, we're talking 10 round havles? win 11 and you win the match! 1 round over time? that makes the 21round max.
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: markuS on February 16, 2010, 05:42:54 PM
Here's an idea that is not a normal config, but would work out pretty well I think:

Start money: $7500
Round Time: 1:45
Rounds Per Half: 11
Rounds To Win: 12
Freezetime: Whatever you wanna use.

Either way, I'm just looking for a little more definition on how the tourney is going to be formatted.
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: Czar on February 16, 2010, 09:45:22 PM
The CSS tourney rules/settings are what's posted on the tourney sign up list. We will not be altering them unless we find that we made a typographical error.
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: Drewberry on February 19, 2010, 12:32:10 PM
I think they were more concerned that there was a ambiguity over the fact of would you be playing 10 rounds each half, and how the last round would be played out
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: Czar on February 19, 2010, 12:38:57 PM
Coin toss.
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: Broken on February 19, 2010, 01:18:21 PM
Czar correct me if I miss something or get something wrong.

I don't really get where First to 11; 21 round limit is confusing. I have played in TWL and done a little math in my day so I understand this perfectly well. If you are confused as to what a round is, then look it up. We have already said that teams will take turns playing on each side of the map.

If you are still confused the rules state 1:45 Per Round (note the use of Round)... those who like server configs, that would be mp_roundtime 1.45. One round is one spawn, one buy period,  on one side of the map. (that means that in 1 round you will either be a Terrorist or Counter-Terrorist and not both)

I can understand people will have different preferences in the counts and start values. I have played in tournaments with a wide range of settings in these areas, and I find the variety refreshing. It can bring even more challenge in strategy for starting kit in the tournaments.

In terms of the # of rounds, keep in mind that CSS is not the only tournament and not the only activity scheduled for the event so time can be a factor in scheduling. There are a lot of moving parts to make sure as many people have as many participation opportunities as possible to maximize fun. So maximize the fun and enjoy every moment of the tournaments. I have seen and participated in this tournament format many times over the years and the tournaments have been fun, fulfilling, and exciting while still allowing me to play in multiple tournaments without being forced to pick which game i wanted to play over the other.
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: Drewberry on February 19, 2010, 02:48:52 PM
Now now, you don't have to be rude about it. Just asking a simple question. I am not trying to rain on your parade.

So what you are basically saying, is the tourney is like the NFL, with 20 rounds, and if after those 20 rounds the score is tied 20-20, you just play out another round, winner take all event. I am aware of the thing you call math, it is a little puzzling, as I have problems carrying the 7 on your equation.
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: Broken on February 19, 2010, 03:10:16 PM
No worries man, I wasn't trying to be rude. I just wanted to be overly explicit since there is an entire page of questions and confusion from multiple points.

: )
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: -Sp()()ge- on February 19, 2010, 03:51:47 PM
So what is the square root value of -1? 
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: Czar on February 19, 2010, 05:45:40 PM
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Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: Broken on February 19, 2010, 05:50:09 PM
indeed
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: Mylk on February 19, 2010, 06:49:40 PM
the confusion came from this:

5v5
30 Min Time Limit
First to 11; 21 round limit
1600 Start Money
1:45 Per Round
25 Sec Buy Time

at no point in there does it say 2 halves or "10 round halves, first to 11"

and i think also the confusion came from most leagues are 15round halves, first to 16 or formerly 12 rounds halves, first to 13. i understand the need to shorten the tourny as it is double elim and there are plenty of tourny's going on.

gl and hf!
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: .:F3ar0n:. on February 19, 2010, 07:34:47 PM
Handling the CS:S Tourney this year, I'll explain why we have decided to go with the following rule sets for this tourney. First and foremost the rounds. As BrokenShadow has already stated, we are trying to host as many tournaments as possible given the allocated time frame to do so. I understand the question to diverse from traditional rule sets of 30 rounds switch after 15 rounds of match play, however with the anticipated number of entries we will be having for this, we could not fit it into the time given. The tournament will be ran as followed

Zblock 4.4 Add On with a possible TOTAL of 21 rounds played

10 rounds will be played from start
Teams will switch sides after 10 rounds and have a ready up to begin on opposite teams (CT go T and vice versa)
Another 10 rounds will be played with switched teams

In the result of a tie at 20, a 1 round playoff will be played for the match

The 1600 start money was added simply to speed up the tournament. With a shortened run of 21 vs the tradition 30 rounds, I felt it was necessary to get the tournament up and going full action from the start of the event. I'd be happy to answer any further questions you may have
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: Broken on February 19, 2010, 07:58:06 PM
yeah... F3ar0n drinks less whiskey then I do...
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: -Sp()()ge- on February 19, 2010, 08:34:44 PM
i

yeah! you get a prize! 
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: -Sp()()ge- on February 19, 2010, 08:39:23 PM
OK, so let me get this straight.   If I pistol whip my opponent in the 4th round with my left hand and diffuse the bomb with my right big toe, will the sides switch and non-gravity mode begins with inverted colors every other minute?  Seriously, lets ask a real question.  Who want's to have fun at the LAN?
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: -Sp()()ge- on February 19, 2010, 08:41:41 PM
And to screw with everyone, we will bring back the 747 map for overtime except it's TSA vs the Terrorists.
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: The Shoctor on February 19, 2010, 09:52:56 PM
And to screw with everyone, we will bring back the 747 map for overtime except it's TSA vs the Terrorists.

The terrorists will always win...
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: Broken on February 19, 2010, 10:17:40 PM
And to screw with everyone, we will bring back the 747 map for overtime except it's TSA vs the Terrorists.


Make it TSA security dogs vs. little kids and the TSA may win o.O
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/item.aspx?type=blog&ak=79752.blog (http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/item.aspx?type=blog&ak=79752.blog)

Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: decepticon on February 19, 2010, 11:58:31 PM
So what you are basically saying, is the tourney is like the NFL, with 20 rounds, and if after those 20 rounds the score is tied 20-20, you just play out another round, winner take all event.

That would be a possible score of 10-10.  That would need the tie breaker.
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: Curse_desreveR on February 20, 2010, 02:15:49 AM
Now for even more confusion... Is it $1,600 or $16,000 start money? Regular is $800, everything I've seen posted is $1,600, but the max is $16,000... Just wondering...  :chair:
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: The Shoctor on February 20, 2010, 08:34:13 AM
Imma gonna punch you in the wiener.
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: Mr.Tibbs on February 20, 2010, 09:18:20 AM
And to screw with everyone, we will bring back the 747 map for overtime except it's TSA vs the Terrorists.

Will the Terrorists have to wear C4 underwear?
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: -Sp()()ge- on February 20, 2010, 11:16:47 AM
If Chuck Norris is on your team, there is NO TIE!! He always wins.

So what you are basically saying, is the tourney is like the NFL, with 20 rounds, and if after those 20 rounds the score is tied 20-20, you just play out another round, winner take all event.

That would be a possible score of 10-10.  That would need the tie breaker.
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: Curse_desreveR on February 20, 2010, 01:12:07 PM
Imma gonna punch you in the jeans!
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: Broken on February 20, 2010, 06:27:37 PM
im going to paper cut your wiener!
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: Drewberry on February 20, 2010, 09:39:23 PM
What about the BCS? Do you get strength of victory points? Does your in conference schedule matter? And if you win the coin toss you choose CT or T? Boise State should deserve a shot. Instead, can we just play dizzy bat for the last round?
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: {ShadowWX} on February 20, 2010, 11:10:25 PM
I suggest that in the event of a tie both teams must play Russian roulette and the team with the most surviving players is declared the victor.
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: wallzy on February 20, 2010, 11:23:03 PM
I say a sword fight if there is a Tie
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: markuS on February 21, 2010, 06:10:46 PM
Handling the CS:S Tourney this year, I'll explain why we have decided to go with the following rule sets for this tourney. First and foremost the rounds. As BrokenShadow has already stated, we are trying to host as many tournaments as possible given the allocated time frame to do so. I understand the question to diverse from traditional rule sets of 30 rounds switch after 15 rounds of match play, however with the anticipated number of entries we will be having for this, we could not fit it into the time given. The tournament will be ran as followed

Zblock 4.4 Add On with a possible TOTAL of 21 rounds played

10 rounds will be played from start
Teams will switch sides after 10 rounds and have a ready up to begin on opposite teams (CT go T and vice versa)
Another 10 rounds will be played with switched teams

In the result of a tie at 20, a 1 round playoff will be played for the match

The 1600 start money was added simply to speed up the tournament. With a shortened run of 21 vs the tradition 30 rounds, I felt it was necessary to get the tournament up and going full action from the start of the event. I'd be happy to answer any further questions you may have
You mean 16k rather than $1600 I would assume, which would make a lot more sense.
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: -Sp()()ge- on February 21, 2010, 06:47:44 PM
$16.  Knifes only!  HAHA!
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: zx2slow on February 21, 2010, 07:07:08 PM
I say a sword fight if there is a Tie

How do you determine the winner?
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: {ShadowWX} on February 21, 2010, 09:43:52 PM
I say a sword fight if there is a Tie

How do you determine the winner?
last man standing?
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: The Shoctor on February 22, 2010, 08:45:14 AM
I CAME!
Title: Re: Counter-Strike: Source Tournament Suggestion
Post by: {ShadowWX} on February 22, 2010, 04:26:42 PM
I CAME!
then I guess you already lost huh?